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from cbs news in washington, "face the nation" >> rose: today on "face the nation." breaking news this morning as the search for missing malaysian air plight 370 continues. and russia's rim on crimea tightens. recovery efforts off the coast of vietnam and malaysia continue after the airliner carrying 239 people including three americans vanishes. we'll have the latest on that story then as russia moves more troops in to crimea international diplomatic efforts make little progress. we'll talk to dick cheney and jim bakker about the crisis and what if anything the u.s. can do. plus we'll hear from former obama advisor general jim jones. as conservatives meet in washington we'll check in with
former vice president candidate paul ryan about the future of the republican party. also have analysis from a panel of experts. 60 years of news because this is "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs welcome to "face the nation" i'm sit ink for bob schieffer. we're watching two big stories this morning first as recovery teams search waters between malaysia and vietnam for the missing boeing 777 that disappeared saturday morning, there are new questions about some of the passengers on that plane. we start with cbs news correspondent seth doan in beijing. what's the latest? >> good morning, the search for flight 370 has widened to include 22 aircraft and 40 ships from 11 different countries including the united states. people from have been sent in to
assist with the investigation, today in malaysia authorities there say they will review radar images that seem to indicate that the plane may have turned back just before it lost contact with controllers. there think are also looking closely at security camera footage from inside kuala kualar airport focusing on two passengers who were traveling on stolen passports. two-thirds of the passengers on board this plane are chinese. and family members here in beijing have been taken to a local hotel where malaysia airlines is offering what little comfort, little information they can. today the airline did tell those waiting family members that they should begin to prepare for the worst. charlie? >> rose: thank you, seth. joining us cbs news justice and homeland security bob orr who spent many years on the transportation beat here at cbs. the question everybody is asking, how could a plane simply
vanish? >> very rare. a plane at cruisal take taught the safest phase of flight. almost never happens but it does happen. in june of 2009 there was a very famous case, air france 447 coming out of brazil enroute to paris, gets over the south atlantic just vanishes. it's a month to find any of the wreckage. >> rose: is it a distress call? >> yes. that's really what has people so concerned right now. hat 35,000 feet you would think that the pilots have time to say, we're in trouble here. to give some hint as to what system might be failing or what event has happened on the airplane. but i have to tell you it's not completely uncommon for pilots to get so focused on the problem at hand that they don't have time to notify anybody. they're top and drilled in to their heads, fly the plane first, diagnose the problem, then tell others about your problem. >> what do we know about the passport cases two of people who seem to have purchased their tickets at the same time using
false passports. >> know this is failure of the screening system in malaysia to start with. because there's no way that two people with stolen passports should be allowed on that airplane. interpol reported these as stolen, those numbers were posted, that should have been stopped. that said we don't know what these people were up to. whether just traveling for criminal enterprise or traveling to see refuge in some other country, part of some kind of scheme. or were they terrorists. this is why intel folks in this country and around the world are going through all the facts that we know there aren't very many trying to figure out was this a terror event. if it was a terror event what role if any did these two play, were they the only? >> two passports that were fake, there may be more. >> that's possibility. the numbers have been all over. there might be four suspicious passengers, malaysian authorities have been fuzzy on details. >> is now the suspicion moving towards terrorism? >> wouldn't say that. that is one of couple of things that happened.
whatever happened, happened quickly was cataclysmic failure at high altitude. a couple of possibilities here. a systems failure, compounded perhaps by pilot errors and responding to the first failure, we call cascading series or maybe there was an event, small bomb like lockerbie, for example. on to -- at that altitude the plane is ripped apart. when the wreckage is recovered when we find the black boxes that data and those forensic pieces of evidence i have gill us more. >> a mid air explosion generally trail debris. >> if the plane broke up at very high altitude i would expect to be over 100 miles maybe more. that's a big clue. if we find the plane it's relatively localized, that will tell us the plane likely hit the water intact. >> thank you. also news overnight in u ryan, arseniy yatseniuk will visit the u.s.
russian the nuclear weapons after the u.s. imposed sanctions late last week. former vice president dick cheney joins us now. >> good morning, charlie. >> rose: tell me what options are? today? >> i think -- i worry one would begin to address a crisis by first thing we do is take options off the table, i don't think administration should do that. >> rose: have they done that? >> no military. seems to operate that way most of the time. there are military option, is that don't involve putting troops on the ground and crimea. we can go back and reinstate the ballistic missile defense that was taken out, originally going to go in poland, czech republic, obama took it out to apiece putin. we could do training exercises in poland. offer military assistance in terms of equipment, training to the ukrainians themselves. >> rose: activation of military forces, in terms of
having forces come and make their appearance there. >> on our part. >> rose: yes. >> i'm not aware of any detail. nato i'm sure will think about it. it's very important to nato. a lot of the nato members were part of the old soviet empire, warsaw pact, baltic states. they are very worried when they see putin absolutely ride rough shot over solemn commitments that he made. that the government of russia made like the budapest memorandum when russia, u.s., britain, guaranteed the borders of ukraine in return for them giving up nuclear weapons. putin is going right through it. people begin to wonder if his word good for anything. >> rose: that's the question. do you believe that president putin believes that president obama is weak and will pass through his red line there for he should be tested? >> no. i don't know whether he believes he should be tested i think
there's no question. he has seen so-called reset policy that's led to giving up on the ballistic missile defense, for example. we have created an image around the world not just for the russians of weakness, of indecisiveness. we got already to do something, a lot of the allies sign on, obama backs off. >> rose: don't you think that the president is trying to take all the diplomatic steps that he can take? >> i think. he hasn't got any credibility with our allies. i just happened to speak to kim of members of the european parliament within last couple of days indicated that the quest for the europeans to cooperate on sanctions is more difficult than it would have been because of what happened with respect to syria. in fact they got ready to go last minute u.s. president obama backed off. he's got much higher mountain to
climb in order to mobilize european governments come on board for something other than military. >> rose: former secretary of defense robert gates for both president bush and obama i do not belief that crimea will slip out of the russian hands. suggest can that they will not leave and be different situation on the ground in crimea. >> that's very possible. but -- >> rose: can we stand that in your judgment? >> we have to recognize the fact that this is an egregious violation, if you will, of treaty commitments, solemn obligation on the part of the russian government to recognize the money does of the newly independent states of the old soviet union and force of that. that was one of the most significant developments of the 20th century, putin is simply ignoring that. i don't think he should be able to do that without -- >> rose: has you know in georgia the people will make the case that russian troops remain
and that it was very different situation we were not able to respond. >> right. >> rose: what is that lesson? >> the lesson that have is, came at a time sort of at the end of the bush administration, beginning of the obama administration but it was deep concern, for instance, western europe. we did take some steps in terms of providing assistance to georgia. we had ships in the region and so forth. there were steps taken but they weren't effective in terms of driving putin out. part of the problem in that case there was question who provoked who with respect -- >> rose: you believe sanctions will be enough? >> i don't know. >> rose: if they are not, how much of a confrontation does united states want to engage in on the ground? how much do you want to allow putin to ignore those
agreements, very, very important agreements that ended the cold war, led to the reunification and under the -- of the soviet union. that was one of the most significant events of the 20th century now starting to chip away at that. starting to reverse the developments very clearly with believe we should allow him to do that. >> the question then if we do not believe what are we prepared to do to stop him? >> my answer is, reinstate the ballistic missile test program. conduct joint military exercise with our nato friends. offer up equipment and training, ukrainian military. take steps to guarantee, guarantee the notion especially to our friends in europe that we keep our commitments. so far that is in doubt. and i think matter of sending a
strong signal that the u.s. will keep commitments to our friends and allies, that's been in doubt for some time now because of the policies of the obama administration. this becomes a crucial moment. >> rose: you think those baltic nations should be nervous as to whether nato, members of nato will come to their defense. >> we ha a treaty abrogation. and we absolutely i think will find if you go to lithuania, latvia, estonia that our friends have russian minority populations in side. under control of the old soviet union nor decades and now they're free and independent states they depend upon united states for leadership. >> rose: what happened if the crimea,ns say they want to join russia. >> there's argument whether they can do that, among other things,
the budapest memorandum of 1994. >> rose: there was unconstitutional coup in kiev. >> there is debate in a way, i don't know how it's going to unfold. i think putin he's got domestic problems at home. i don't think this is the situation where there aren't vulnerabilities from the standpoint. >> rose: also the energy weapon, too. can we in a sense provide the money and the energy to the people in ukraine so that there for they will feel less pressure from russia. >> energy is also a weakness for push a. they depend on petroleum for 50%. price of oil drops a few dollars they go in to recession. it accounts for most of the budgets and russian government. for him to be in talking about cutting all sales that's two-edged sword not necessarily mean it's going to create a bigger problem for the customer
than it does for the employer. >> rose: could be looking at the new cold war. >> i don't know that it will go that far should be no doubt in anybody's mind that the united states is going to do everything we can to mobilize nato, western european friends and allies to make sure that putin gets the message going to be -- can't do it without paying the price. >> rose: thank you, mr. vice president. joining us from georgia women ripely can congressman paul ryan. >> good morning, charlie. >> rose: you heard what the vice president said, do you agree with him? >> i do. i think we should domestic violence knitly revisit missile defense. if president obama himself revisited missile defense that would be very strong signal. could charitably describe as naive wishful thinking, a lot of things we could do to turn course and make a difference. i think vice president laid out good options and bolster nato's defenses as well.
>> rose: do you believe sanctions will sneak do you think this russian president is so intent in terms of trying to restore russian influence that sanctions will not be impressive to him? >> well, my crystal ball is no clearer than yours is. that doesn't mean we shouldn't give this every ounce of effort. i don't know if that is going to work. i think pout is in as you describe but i do think there are vulnerabilities within russia that he has politically that could be exploited. targeting some of the -- his enablessers. i think -- >> rose: target them? >> i think target their ability to travel. you target international reserves, you target their holdings overseas that are elicitly gained through this cleptocracy. we're a nation with vast energy reserve and potential but with
government that's seen hostile toward developing those energy reserves. if our government changed its tune on that, if we told europe, we are going to green light the languishing permit applications for exporting lng, natural gas to europe that could do a lot to send signals that we're intent on loosening russia's grip on its energy to europe that we're going to be reliable ally to loosen their grip they get their money from petrol. if we could compromise that by developing american energy, creating jobs here, lowering prices, that would be a huge step in the right direction. we're going to move on that in the house i think the president would have a grit opportunity, change tunes, resets, smart sanctions, energy. >> rose: let me move to cpac you were one of the speakers you said needs to be a bigger debate it's taking place. whatever happens to bipartisanship in foreign policy?
>> well, we used to have it. when we had truman democrats, kennedy democrats, president kennedy democrats we had pi partisan foreign policy. this is not that kind of an administration. this is a far more progressive administration that i think is uncomfortable with america's super power responsibilities and status. and so i don't think that the what you have in this administration. i think it's a coincidence but irony is very bitter. the week that vladimir putin invades russia and brings budget to congress cutting our military, i don't think you have that kind of administration that lends itself to good bipartisan. >> rose: take you back to cpac. on the one hand, there was governor chris christie who talked about inclusive party on the other hand senator ted cruz talked about a different message, what is happening in terms of those two polls of the republican party? >> they're within a big tent. that was my point in my speech
in the republican party. we are not having disagreements with each other on principles or even policy. disagreements have been over tactics so i think we should all put it in perspective. it's created continues, i don't think there's this vast civil war in the party. i think we're a party with a vibrant debate adding ideas, solving problems, we're going to be okay. >> rose: no bet are place to participate in debate than to be a presidential candidate. as you know. you've been a vice president shall nominee. there for the questions if you look at iowa in a straw poll 67% said they want you to run for president. do you want to run for president? >> i'm a friendly next door neighbor in wisconsin. what i think i ought to do is focus on my job here in congress, jane and i will sit down in 2015 give it serious conversation, consideration that are required for keeping our
options open. i have responsibilities to the majority in the house of representatives that i feel i ought to attend to then i'll worry about those things. >> rose: would you rather be speaker of the house? >> i've already ruled that one out. i think there are other places that i'd rather be than that. he's controversial but doing very good job. >> rose: thank you very much, congressman paul ryan. we'll be back in a moment. or how ornate the halls are. it doesn't matter if there are granite statues, or big mahogany desks. when working with an investment firm, what's really important is whether the people behind the desks actually stand behind what they say. introducing the schwab accountability guarantee. if you're not happy with one of our participating investment advisory services, we'll refund your program fee from the previous quarter. it's no guarantee against loss and other fees and expenses may still apply.
chuck vo: standing by your word, that's what matters the most. >> rose: general jim jones, served as president obama's national security size or, welcome. >> thank you, charlie,. >> rose: what should president that serve do now in ukraine? >> i think a lot of the things that are happening between not only united states bilaterally with russia but also international community is pretty much what needs to be done. i think you don't want to knee
jerk and overreact. >> rose: what would you call knee jerk and overreact? >> a lot of the things that we're talking about in terms of some of the tit for tat gestures that only tonight exerer bait the situation. this is a strategic question that has long term strategic consequences. it's more about economies and about the future of the region than it is about troop displacement right now. >> rose: i want to talk about economy. one more question about force, is the united states and is nato doing anything because of this crisis, this different from its normal rotation? >> nato is not the centerpiece of this. but nato is participating along with international community, with the u.n., the eu, osc and doing the things that it can do and using instruments that it
has. for instance, nato u ryan council, is in full gear and they are doing things with regard to military exercises that are appropriate and not inflammatory. but they also, nato needs to reassure friends and allies to the east that we are one in this. 28 countries are one unit in the united states is leading it. >> rose: what could cause this thick to get out of control? one thing that leads to another we're looking at a hot cold war. >> i any precipitous moves that preclude people from being able to step back from it. and get to the point where you get boxed in. i think this is the point right now where mr. putin has to understand that if he doesn't figure a way to get out of this that the long term consequences for him and for russia could be -- could have serious
consequences in terms much the economic relationships and the isolation of russia with regard to europe. >> rose: in the energy equation because of what impact that could have. >> four countries interestingly enough, yesterday four countries sent letters toe speaker boehner and majority leader in the senate that poland, hungary, czech republic canned slovakia asking the united states to accelerate its shipments of energy to eastern europe in particular. this just underscores the fact that in -- in a long term -- maybe even mid term scenario our energy potential has the capacity of lowering the dependence of europe on russian energy. and therefore, affecting the economic viability of russia for a long term. >> rose: is what's happening self event of the fact that the russian reset did not work? >> well, the russian reset was
preed kate on the goodwill -- preed kate on the goodwill of the president of russia and president of united states. for the first couple of years we had that. there are elements of the reset had they been allowed to continue would have -- would have mitigated against what's happening right now. unfortunately a key player changed, we have a new president in russia -- for whom the reset isn't as important. >> rose: thank you. we'll be back in a moment. predicting the future is a pretty difficult thing to do. but, manufacturing in the united states means advanced technology. we learned that technology allows us to be craft oriented. no one's losing their job. there's no beer robot that has suddenly chased them out.
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